LOST: Who is Hurley, what is he?
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stefanie_beanRe: "The Brig," 3x19 - people are getting this idea that Hurley is some kind of "puppetmaster" (which usually means working for the Others in some Machiavellian way.) Others (including me) disagree.
molly1977: I think that Hurley is the true leader and caretaker of the losties, not the A-team, but the majority of the survivors of flight 815. H ehas ta keep his ear to the ground. He wants to make sure everyone feels needed, everyone is healthy, everyone is happy and to do that he must pay attention.
realityaxe: Hurley is quite possibly JACOB..... or just one awesome character, that everybody would love to be friends with!
TorturemeSy:AH, my dear Molly, take your fingers from your ears and face the awful, ugly, chocolate-covered truth...
HURLEY is JACOB......duhduhduhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
No, really, I don't know if he's Jacob, but he's something more than just plain ol happy Hurley.
And how the Others let him, and only him, go.
And how his numbers are everywhere.
The list goes on....
Hurley is one to watch.
MilwaukeeDanno: To me Hurley is kind of like Yoda when Luke first met him on the planet Dagobah. He plays the fool but is wise. He is not the silly little man that Luke thinks he is (of course in Hurley's case, they chose a giant).
Hurley's philosophy seems kind of like Lao Tzu's in "Tao Te Ching" (the philosophy also called "The Way" and Taoism). One of the way's maxim's is "do without doing", which sound's like Hurley's overall passive attitude.
Check this out as it relates to Hurley:
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Tao Te Ching - Lao Tzu - chapter 27
A good walker leaves no tracks;
A good speaker makes no slips;
A good reckoner needs no tally.
A good door need no lock,
Yet no one can open it.
Good binding requires no knots, Yet no one can loosen it.
Therefore the sage takes care of all men
And abandons no one.
He takes care of all things
And abandons nothing.
This is called "following the light."
What is a good man?
A teacher of a bad man.
What is a bad man?
A good man's charge.
If the teacher is not respected,
And the pupil not cared for,
Confusion will arise, however clever one is.
This is the crux of mystery.
***
Here's another thing to chew on - Hurley wanted to blow up the door to the safe holding the food supplies. "A good door needs no lock"
"What is a good man? A teacher of a bad man." - Hurley taught Sawyer how to be a better man and a leader.
"Therefore the sage takes care of all men, and abandons no one". Hurley constantly does this behind the scenes.
Also sounds kind of Jedi-like, IMHO. The producers are totally into Star Wars.
... Also with the van
Luke: That's impossible! I don't believe it!
Yoda: That is why you fail.
pippilina: Hurley's appearances in the airport seem to drop a lot of hints about a possible role in operating or somehow being an agent of the events in Lost... his rush and big hug to get onto the plane when he nearly missed it, his appearance as the ticket agent in Locke's vision while everyone else is simply checking in to board the plane. Sure do love him! I hope we see more Hurley backstory before the season ends.
ayrez: You know, right after Hurley's comment in Expose about the major bad guy being a major good guy on the TV show after reading Nikki's script, I got this idea in my head...who would we LEAST expect to turn up as Jacob? Hurley, of course! Every episode since then, I can't help but to question Hurley's actions (although I really do love his character!) He does always seem to be in the thick of things, very subtly manipulating people. We're probably wrong, but that would be a shocker!
scottk517: Hugo is the best. He is the only one without a major sin.
Me: Of the major characters, I'd say that's true. Obviously that could change - there are many temptations along any path. But in general I would say that his heart is exceptionally pure and his actions (especially since his healing from "Dave") have been unselfishly loving.
I think it's a mistake to see him as simply the "funny fat guy." To me, his physical size is metaphorical for his heart.
[Also] I think he's *seen* as comic relief, because he's kind of "teenager-like" in his speech, and because he's a heavy man. However, in the story, it seems that he's a lot more important than that. He's like the social 'glue' that holds the Losties together. He communicates between them. He serves as a moral lightning rod - you can really tell a person's character by whether he/she is kind to Hurley or not. (Sawyer is cruel to him; Kate isn't - which IMO speaks volumes about the differences between the two of them, even if Kate has a dubious past.)
Hurley's money wasn't just thrown in[to the story] randomly. It's been an important part of the story as soon as his backstory was revealed. It would make sense for there to be some *reveal* later on regarding his investments.
Hurley is a relatively simple man from a lower-class background. It would be highly plausible for him to essentially "hand over" his money to brokers to invest and manage for him. That leaves plenty of leeway for all those shady corporations to get involved. However, my personal view is that Hurley would not be aware of it; I don't see him as a kind of mastermind influencing everyone in a Machiavellian way.
If the lottery was indeed rigged, Hurley might have been seen as a potentially useful "tool" for the corporation(s) to manipulate. However, as we've seen before, oftentimes in LOST the "bottom rail's on top this time" - and Hurley could well turn the tables on those who would like to use him.
molly1977: I think that Hurley is the true leader and caretaker of the losties, not the A-team, but the majority of the survivors of flight 815. H ehas ta keep his ear to the ground. He wants to make sure everyone feels needed, everyone is healthy, everyone is happy and to do that he must pay attention.
realityaxe: Hurley is quite possibly JACOB..... or just one awesome character, that everybody would love to be friends with!
TorturemeSy:AH, my dear Molly, take your fingers from your ears and face the awful, ugly, chocolate-covered truth...
HURLEY is JACOB......duhduhduhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
No, really, I don't know if he's Jacob, but he's something more than just plain ol happy Hurley.
And how the Others let him, and only him, go.
And how his numbers are everywhere.
The list goes on....
Hurley is one to watch.
MilwaukeeDanno: To me Hurley is kind of like Yoda when Luke first met him on the planet Dagobah. He plays the fool but is wise. He is not the silly little man that Luke thinks he is (of course in Hurley's case, they chose a giant).
Hurley's philosophy seems kind of like Lao Tzu's in "Tao Te Ching" (the philosophy also called "The Way" and Taoism). One of the way's maxim's is "do without doing", which sound's like Hurley's overall passive attitude.
Check this out as it relates to Hurley:
***
Tao Te Ching - Lao Tzu - chapter 27
A good walker leaves no tracks;
A good speaker makes no slips;
A good reckoner needs no tally.
A good door need no lock,
Yet no one can open it.
Good binding requires no knots, Yet no one can loosen it.
Therefore the sage takes care of all men
And abandons no one.
He takes care of all things
And abandons nothing.
This is called "following the light."
What is a good man?
A teacher of a bad man.
What is a bad man?
A good man's charge.
If the teacher is not respected,
And the pupil not cared for,
Confusion will arise, however clever one is.
This is the crux of mystery.
***
Here's another thing to chew on - Hurley wanted to blow up the door to the safe holding the food supplies. "A good door needs no lock"
"What is a good man? A teacher of a bad man." - Hurley taught Sawyer how to be a better man and a leader.
"Therefore the sage takes care of all men, and abandons no one". Hurley constantly does this behind the scenes.
Also sounds kind of Jedi-like, IMHO. The producers are totally into Star Wars.
... Also with the van
Luke: That's impossible! I don't believe it!
Yoda: That is why you fail.
pippilina: Hurley's appearances in the airport seem to drop a lot of hints about a possible role in operating or somehow being an agent of the events in Lost... his rush and big hug to get onto the plane when he nearly missed it, his appearance as the ticket agent in Locke's vision while everyone else is simply checking in to board the plane. Sure do love him! I hope we see more Hurley backstory before the season ends.
ayrez: You know, right after Hurley's comment in Expose about the major bad guy being a major good guy on the TV show after reading Nikki's script, I got this idea in my head...who would we LEAST expect to turn up as Jacob? Hurley, of course! Every episode since then, I can't help but to question Hurley's actions (although I really do love his character!) He does always seem to be in the thick of things, very subtly manipulating people. We're probably wrong, but that would be a shocker!
scottk517: Hugo is the best. He is the only one without a major sin.
Me: Of the major characters, I'd say that's true. Obviously that could change - there are many temptations along any path. But in general I would say that his heart is exceptionally pure and his actions (especially since his healing from "Dave") have been unselfishly loving.
I think it's a mistake to see him as simply the "funny fat guy." To me, his physical size is metaphorical for his heart.
[Also] I think he's *seen* as comic relief, because he's kind of "teenager-like" in his speech, and because he's a heavy man. However, in the story, it seems that he's a lot more important than that. He's like the social 'glue' that holds the Losties together. He communicates between them. He serves as a moral lightning rod - you can really tell a person's character by whether he/she is kind to Hurley or not. (Sawyer is cruel to him; Kate isn't - which IMO speaks volumes about the differences between the two of them, even if Kate has a dubious past.)
Hurley's money wasn't just thrown in[to the story] randomly. It's been an important part of the story as soon as his backstory was revealed. It would make sense for there to be some *reveal* later on regarding his investments.
Hurley is a relatively simple man from a lower-class background. It would be highly plausible for him to essentially "hand over" his money to brokers to invest and manage for him. That leaves plenty of leeway for all those shady corporations to get involved. However, my personal view is that Hurley would not be aware of it; I don't see him as a kind of mastermind influencing everyone in a Machiavellian way.
If the lottery was indeed rigged, Hurley might have been seen as a potentially useful "tool" for the corporation(s) to manipulate. However, as we've seen before, oftentimes in LOST the "bottom rail's on top this time" - and Hurley could well turn the tables on those who would like to use him.